One of the great things I had when I was director at Topeka was a staff. And the staff was superb, because they did so much. It was kind of one of these, they did most of the work, and I got all the credit. I always felt bad about that, because they did do the work. And I’ve tried to get them in positions so that they would get the credit too and make the presentations, or do the PR, do the press conference or whatever. And they were quite capable of doing that. But we started by bringing in graduates, young graduates with a degree in zoology who wanted to make a career out of zoos. Howard Hunt was our first degree person.