Fred Stark at San Antonio and Matt Marlin early on and Warren Thomas who was up at Omaha at the time, just every everybody was. It’s the days when it was like a big fraternity. It’s usually one zoo per town, maybe two, and even though you had a staff maybe you could talk to, it’s the only when you talk to other zoo people elsewhere that you get a lot of ideas and support, and so on. I was, for a punk kid just starting out, I really got a lot of support.
