Well, certainly Mr. Cully continued, during his tenure at the Kansas City Zoo, to be, he would come over periodically. Walk, and do the rounds, make the rounds with me, and that was, well, I loved that, that was marvelous. He was great. And early, when I first came, Clayton Frye was, he was still at Buffalo. And then he came, and I met him at a conference. And when he left Buffalo and went to Denver, he drove and he stayed and spent the night in our house here in Topeka. Don Davis was very supportive. Charlie Hessel, before he was director of St. Louis, he used to run a pet store.