One of the great things with Pat at Lion Country Safari, so many things, but one of them was that he was, the drug companies had asked him to do experimentation, it was in the early stages of a lot of immobilizaton drugs. Pat had the opportunity of working with these drugs, taking notes, I was a non-veterinarian working with a lot of them but I had a lot of animals to work on. I kept mixing drugs and trying to get a purple-red, green drug that would work. I went to Tufts University and demonstrated mobilization of goats and things like that. That’s later on. But at Lion Country, the University of California at Irvine was interested in Pat, and he started teaching classes there. Actually that’s when you started first taking groups to Africa. Because their laboratory classroom, which was, you had the lecture series during the school year and then the laboratory classroom, which was worth an additional six units.
