A very personal guy, good personality, people liked him, he was easy going. One of the things that I noticed at San Francisco Zoo when I first went there, is that they had a union there. And they’d strike on some reason or other. I had trouble getting my car in to feed animals and they would beat my car up and all kinds of stuff. Because I’m going in to feed the animals, and I got through it, but that was not very realistic to me because I didn’t know what a union was coming out of the hills of Tennessee. You did what you had to do. Picketing, they wouldn’t let us come in the zoo, had the gates closed, that was a terrible time. I remember.