Anyhow and he worked for some of the great ornithologists at that time. Tom Barber. And so, he got hands on ornithological training in taxonomy, as well as the general science of ornithology. And he had a book collection that was priceless. And in fact, after his death, his book collection was sold through Sotheby’s, that’s how good it was. And I had access to all of those wonderful publications and monographs that were done by the old masters, the hand painted lithograph sentiment. So, he was extremely knowledgeable about birds without having a formal education. And every day he would pass, we’d have conversations that I’ve learned.
