Well, actually it’s interested in being a mammalogist, I think when I was at KU. E Raymond Hall, very prominent mammalogist, academic mammalogist was a major professor and he had a project. It was a 10 year reevaluation of the black-tailed prairie dogs in the state of Kansas, the populations. And a publication had been done 10 years prior to that and he asked me to go out and under the auspices of the State Biological Survey to look at these populations, see what their status was today. So, I went back and looked at the same populations that were looked at, I guess would’ve been 1957, ’58. And so, they gave me a truck and a spotting scope and off I went, to count prairie dogs and measured the sizes of colonies and such. And that’s how I got involved in it. And it was a really fun project, certainly became fairly knowledgeable about black-tailed prairie dogs and particularly their status in the state of Kansas at that time.