Well, by that time, there were probably two or three more bird curators. The zoos had decided to add into their staffing. Frank Todd was probably more of a player at that time. I’m trying to remember, boy. But at the St Louis Zoo, when you walked in, there were other curators- Oh, there were other curators. Oh, I’m sorry. Bob Frew, curator of mammals, Charlie Hassel was still curator of reptiles and he was general curator. And I was the curator of birds.
