After being at Philadelphia for three or four years, my wife and I and of course, by that time we had two children. We had gotten into the eastern way of life but we would’ve liked to get back to the Midwest. She was a farm girl outta Carroll in Nebraska, so this was what we considered our cultural experience. And there was an administrative change at the Philadelphia Zoo. And I thought, I wasn’t going to like it in the long run. I had discussed it with Gus great length and I said, “I’m not sure what’s gonna happen here because the individual who was made director was known for off the cuff decisions that may not be to anyone’s benefit.” And as a result, I thought I could be a victim here. And Gus, you’ve been here for 30 some odd years. And so, you’re gonna retire.” In fact, he was gonna retire in two or three years.
