I guess I was taught at KU by E Raymond Hall about publishing. And I think in academia, it’s a publish or perish kind of a thing. I remember the first thing that I prepared for him in terms of a publication on black-tailed prairie dogs. He got a little red pen that looked like he just bled all over it. That was where I learned the difference between writing in I guess a popular style as opposed to a scientific style. He probably, of all people, instilled in me a need to publish. And when you get in the zoo business, you want to make your contribution and sometimes it has to be in print. And I think we were all doing it when we could, not for personal gain necessarily, as much as getting the information out.