Birds never got sick. They never caught no fungus, no germs up there, nothing. They all lived forever. They had babies, that was slow in the beginning, and we did have to later capture some of, a few once we knew more about what’s going on. We got started with these two pair and then I lent them the one at the zoo, and they caught a wild female that a dog had captured, that a pig hunter’s dog had caught, and that was the way it began. And no feds, there was no federal presence in fish and wildlife in Hawaii at that time. It was just territorial fishing game and me at the zoo, just Vernon. And later we got appropriation through the legislature of 5,000 bucks, $5,000 to begin a major restoration program.