Both the humans on them would harm the seals and the sea birds, but particularly the damage to the seals or to the islands would come from rats that would come ashore on those islands. And it has not happened up there fortunately, that the shipwrecks very, very luckily did not deposit rats. Another subject. Tell us about your involvement or the Honolulu Zoo’s involvement in the nene project. The nene project was probably the single bit of conservation. No, probably it is the single bit of conservation that the zoo was the most successful in, and one of which I’m most proud. Because at this time, there are more than 1,000 of these Hawaiian geese, endemic geese in captivity, in zoos and private collections throughout the world. It’s a very endearing, trusting, relatively small goose that develop slightly different than mainland forms of Canada geese.
