And the rest of my family was in the back seat, my wife, Mary Lou, and two of my young children. And then we got to, so Bill was the first zoo person to be involved with Congo except us. And then we got to San Diego, we stayed there a few days and then we flew back with him. I wish I had the tickets dubbed, said baby brisk on the plane. It cost 16 bucks, the same fare that an infant would’ve cost in those days, it was a non-scheduled airline. They would come and they would go, and they would have very short life span, but they were offered cheaper flights, cheaper fairs. And for a zoo director that at that time was paying for his own trips to the AZA conference, I was not flying PanAm. I helped PanAm and they helped me, but not with air fare.
