But the tie in with Ken Norris and sea life is that as the oceanarium sea life park was built by Karen and Tap Pryor, part of their objective was to have a scientific attached biological institute, which they named the Oceanic Institute, and they used the same salt water pumping system. And with the elaborate pumps, actually went down below sea level, down on the beach and buried in the sand. So at any rate, the place was just beginning, and Ken was, I had gotten to know him, and he assisted both in the design of the oceanarium and then I’d recommended him to Tap Pryor and Karen as the first director of their Oceanic Institute. And he came out and lived several days, several years here next to Sea Life Park and the Oceanic Institute in the beach house, beach-fronted house, before he moved back to University of Santa Cruz as a beloved prof back there. And later, he was the professor of one of my daughters, Dawn Breeze, and actually he was instrumental in employing my former wife, Mary Lou, as a volunteer in the University of California at Santa Cruz Marine Lab. So Ken played an important role in our life, mostly as a friend and of being here. And he was the most significant scientist in terms of negotiating between the Fisher fleets, the tuna fleets mostly operated by Fisher, the fishermen were primarily Portuguese ancestry that worked out of the West Coast ports of San Diego and Long Beach. And Ken had hired and worked closely with two of those Portuguese fisherman, Brooks Brocado and some other, Calandrino was the other chap’s name.