I’m not sure I really ever had a life goal. I was always a behind the scenes guy. I did not like being up front. I liked the idea of being able, whether to acquire the animal, to get the permit, to get the stuff done, to get the animal through the gate. I used to tell the curators, I’ll get the animal through the service gate. Soon as it passes that service gate, it’s yours and take care of it. I used to really go out of my way to avoid those situations. I remember, we had this exhibit at San Francisco, Monkey Island, was the famous Monkey Island.