He was pro animal, pro animal management staff wanting the animal management department to have more say, so what happens with the collection and not just randomly have other departments dictating what we wind up doing or not doing. So, yeah, from the beginning of David Anderson’s tenure to the end, I mean, David wound up having to leave before David Anderson did. And it was, I don’t think that many things changed during that interim, as I remember, I mean, other than the zoo then changing to the consensus zoo as I called it, to, the succeeding directors in terms of Manuel or Tanya, in my opinion today, she’s a nice lady. I don’t think she’s a zoo director. I remember, when we were redesigning this exhibit for black rhino and hippo, and we had some older hippo that in the interim, there almost two years that the exhibit was under construction. The animals died, we had no hippo left. And then we had this tapir that people, the exhibit was okay. I’m not saying it was a wonderful tapir exhibit, in my opinion, not that horrible exhibit, but she then wanted us to modify this hippo exhibit.
