I’m happy to say I had little involvement with him, because his style, what he would do is, he would give orders and he would also, in terms of, he would minimize people, which I guess worked for many positions in senior staff at the San Francisco Zoo. He minimized positions where professionals would wind up saying, I’m not doing anything, I’m moving on. And many senior staff members left because of his style. Like I say, I never was a direct report to him. I won’t get into what the personal things I’ve I had with him. I mean, I felt I was one of those minimalized people, but you know, I was able to deal with it at the time. We were talking about management styles of directors and the last director you worked with had a different management style than the other people.
