Once again, every institution is unique, back in the early eighties, I won’t say there were that many, zoos may not have had the luxury of having full-time registrars, or just how they chose or how the staff managed. Some zoos were, I mean smaller, the curators had to write their permits or maybe senior keeper in some places, some places had designated people to do designated permits. I mean, you would. I thought it was always more important. I loved that phone and I loved calling Washington. I thought that was the best way of going through the process. Once again, building relationships, you called the phone, Mike Sulak, they call you back, they know you. They give you the advice that you need, how it has to be, the black and white issue of it.
