But she didn’t report to Saul, like legally, she reported to the zoological society, but they had pretty good working relationship. I mean, something can always be better, I guess. Who’s to say, as people changed, after Saul retired, then in the interim, the assistant general manager of the recreation and parks department became the acting zoo director. And he was in that position for a year, and I mean, actually, and he was an administrator. Very nice man, who also, as I think I said earlier, caught the feeder and he wanted to be, he actually applied for the position, was one of the applicants for the position, while he was in that position. Once again, if you’re interim, it’s not like you’re gonna be developing new programs and changing things, I mean, maybe you could, but common sense to me says, you can’t turn the place upside down, and give it to somebody else, do the pass off and say, you know, I’ve started this, I’ve started that, I know you’re not interested in this, but we’re doing that anyway. So Phil was there for a year. Phil’s background was the business end of the parks department.
