Well personnel change, different people, whether it be when I was at San Francisco, I think I had six directors in my tenure there. So there was always a different relationship with society. With me, with directors. It was quite fluid, when Saul was there, he had a good relationship with the society. I think once again, the society thought they could run the zoo and do a better job than he or the city. There was like two or three co-directors, but Saul was a little higher. And what I mean is there was an executive director for society and she was in charge of the children’s zoo, under her came the children’s zoo, the education program, concessions and gifts. And fundraising.
