That wasn’t until the early nineties, it was about 13, 14, 15 years. So you were a city, as well as everybody else was a city employee. Yeah, everyone was a city employee. Well, the society had their own employees too. They had their own staff taking care of animals in the children’s zoo, they didn’t report directly to Saul, but they knew, it’s like an unwritten rule that they knew that Saul was the director of the zoo. And I don’t believe it was in the contract that they reported directly to Saul, but rather the executive director of the zoological society, they did their own hiring. Saul, he did have to hire a manager shortly after he arrived. And the person was hired was the one that, he recommended, or I don’t know the other exact process.
