Saul, as I’ve said, I thought, he was my best mentor. He knew animals and he knew management And contacts and he knew the zoo business. And Saul originally said when he came to the zoo, the zoo at San Francisco always had a reputation that there would be an evolution, not a revolution at the zoo. And Saul had an open door policy that anybody could come in, any employee could come into the zoo, you know, and talk to him about it. Things changed in the zoo as you know, got more organized I see. And maybe bigger, we increased the number of senior keepers to the zoo. We broke it up into like quadrants where these senior keepers would kind of manage a contingence of keepers. He just would allow, he would listen.
