I think it was San Diego. Anyway, we went, one of the exhibits that impressed me so much in my youth. I went to Sea World and they had this moray eel exhibit. And you walked into this small building and they had this wall with an exhibit, a tank, and it had all kinds of holes in it. And they were, I wanna say hundreds of moray eels and they’re all coming out, looking menacing. And I thought that was the greatest thing in the world. I remember I went to the Bronx with Dion. I don’t remember if there’s a conference, but we went to the Bronx and it was the first time I saw the World of Darkness in the seventies.