Well, Marlin was kind of a hero of mine ’cause of a zoo parade thing. And I had visions of being something like that one day until I had that disaster television show in Cincinnati. And that kind of tame me down a bit. But he was laid back very sweet guy to work with. I’d say Bill Conway was aloof friendly enough, but maybe not the easiest person to get to know. Did they impart philosophies to you that you kind of gleaned from them or- Well- Yeah, of course Bill Conway was full of philosophies and particular ones I can’t remember except the natural habitat themes, and the things like their exhibit at night animals. And things like that they were always intriguing. And I guess all their they’re talking together kind of melded into one big philosophy.