Because they had tried this out on him on a control system, he was afraid of a lot of little things, like squeaky toys, you know, these little click, click, click things that look like a frog or toad or something, he was afraid of those, and we tried those on him, but in this case it didn’t work, he was very much afraid of little things like alligators or turtles or things like this, not so much of turtles, but alligators, and snakes were where he didn’t like it all, and so they had in the past used those to move him from one place to another. So we knew that this did work.
