That started under Crowcroft and it was a result of our external parties, architects, indicating that we needed to improve facilities around the zoo and one of the primary ones was obviously the primate house with the great ape collection. And so one of the things that Crowcroft did do was he had me and Ben Beck who’d come in as curator of primates, who’d been a grad student at the University of Chicago. Beck and the man who was in our design and arts department go to Africa to find out what would really be requisite in terms of duplicating such environments in in a very spacious setting that we might provide for the creatures. So we went off to Africa and looked at creatures in Uganda and Tanzania and elsewhere. And we took measurements of the limbs of trees and et cetera. While observing the colobus and other monkeys in the forest, we were very determined to bring back a picture of what could be simulate, and so on. We missed seeing mountain gorillas because of a circumstance over which we had no control in on the edge of Uganda at the time. But any rate, Crowcroft did facilitate that and got the approval of the trustees if they were to foster such a development that it needed to be informed in a different way.
