In terms of the relationship of the board of the Chicago Zoological Society and the directors, I’d say there was modest involvement during Crowcroft’s time. I mean, they basically left it to him. They were not engaged except towards the latter part of his time when there was a significant initiative taken by a person who’s still on the board, Edie Duckworth. She had become associated with efforts to establish a volunteer group. And she essentially got the docents established at Brookfield Zoo. I mean, it was a sort of command performance. Edie as a trustee was able to command his attention and get it launched. So that’s when the education program began to flourish at Brookfield.
