In terms of international endeavors and linkages, et cetera, there were really, really this country, in terms of zoos and aquariums, was hardly in the game compared to the established tradition in Europe. But early on, remarkably enough, I made the acquaintance on one of their visits was the Hedigers. (George chuckles) And this was really a, quite a pleasure for me because I had become acquainted with his works, his seminal works. Again, I’m basically in animal behavior, but Hediger certainly established that tradition and reinforced it in Europe in terms of the research in zoos and studies of the creatures. So early on, I made the acquaintance of Hediger at Brookfield Zoo. So I had a ready-made link for the future. And that was greatly appreciated by me. And later by him when I gave a major presentation at his 80th birthday celebration many years later in Zurich.
