There were people like Uly Seal already in the setting of the Species Survival Commission, but in terms of the involvement of the institutions and commitments on this front, it simply wasn’t there. So at the Singapore conference many years ago, I challenged the directors of the Zoological Gardens and Aquariums to come aboard and fortunately they did. Brookfield actually published the resulting zoo conservation strategy for the IUCN, but it was quite a go getting it going. And this has been replaced by a much more up to date edition since that first came out. But it was a challenge, Mark, in terms of getting the interest, because many institutions were simply in their own survival game in terms of generating enough revenue to operate in a decent fashion for the welfare of their animals and public. So taking on this additional responsibility, that took some urging, but people like Conway and a few others, they were right there and pushing from the start.
