I mean, how did you guys fashion. Warren and I were good friends. I looked up to him, he and I worked well together. He learned early on that I got along pretty well with people. And sometimes he would send me to a meeting or to meet with construction people about a problem we had with what they were doing because early on, he, with his very direct breast attitude, had alienated our superintendent that was building the zoo. So I would do that. On a professional scale, you’ve been in the zoo business long enough to remember the wild animal propagation trust, which was consortium of the larger zoos, New York, Bronx, Philadelphia, the National Zoo, some of these early on big time zoo operations got together and decided that there were certain species of animals that should not be taken from the wild. And they formed a group that said you can’t do this, or you’ll face the wrath of the zoo field.