Warren Thomas was one of three people that were quite active in Columbus. When Warren went to veterinary school there as well, 10 years before I did. And Warren and Lou Desabato and Don Davis were all at the Columbus Zoo at the same time working as keepers and then curators later on. At that time the director at Columbus was Earl Davis, who was Don Davis’ father. And he sort of took those three guys under his wing and brought them up in the zoo world and they went on to become then directors of some very famous zoos, Thomas in Oklahoma, Omaha and Brownsville then ended up in Los Angeles, Don Davis at Colorado Springs and then Louis Desabato went to, I believe it was Rochester for a few years before he ended up many, many years in the San Antonio Zoo.