We had an animal committee and a couple of the members of the animal committee were MDs. In our market in a fairly small town, 100,000 people, more or less in Brownsville and surrounding area, we pretty much knew the doctors, the specialists. In 1970, we did the first casserian section on an orangutan. I was the only, well Dr. Thomas was also a veterinarian, but he didn’t feel comfortable practicing. He felt more comfortable being a photographer on that instance. And so I did the anesthesiology, the two top OBGYN men in the area agreed to come in and do the medical procedure. And so we elicited their help to come in. And the proudest thing in their whole life was when they had a picture to hang in their waiting room of them with a baby orangutan and them masked up and delivering the baby.