Gladys Porter supported in-situ conservation primarily through supporting our zoo, which allowed us to make grants to the International Rhino Foundation, to the International Iguana Foundation to Galapagos for turtle conservation, to the Kemps Ridley program for sea turtle conservation. So she made money available so that the zoo could be involved in these programs. And that way she helped. She also though made grants to the couple different humane societies because she very strongly felt that they had a place to play and that they did good work. During your time as director what were some of your more frustrating moments. Frustrating moments usually came from the people side, not the animal side, staff members that couldn’t get along together, board members that couldn’t get along together, people who, I’ll just refer to them as pompous horses behind who felt that their personal ego superseded what was needed for conservation projects. Some things like this. Permits and foreign governments in many instances have been very frustrating because I’ve seen people sit on animals in their own country, living in deplorable conditions, and that were being slaughtered for either the fur trade or the bush meat trade or whatever.
