I was a friend who brought her apples. And so, yeah, I’ve had some personal things. Another time and zoo guys are always talking about animals that get out. Our big male gorilla Lamida we had on an island exhibit, which I was totally against. When you ask about Warren Thomas and I agreeing on things, that was one thing I totally disagreed. And when I became the director, there were a couple of things I told the board that we needed to change or fix. And we had a moat around the gorillas that was over their head they couldn’t swim none of the great apes swim. So they, I felt that was an undue dangerous situation for the animals.
