Yes, Dr. Clinton gray at the National Zoo, Dr. Jack brunette from Dallas, Fred Soyfer from Houston. These were all some of the early leaders, Paul Chaffey from Fresno Zoo. And if I had a problem or a question, I could pick up the phone and call one of them or call two or three of them and get their experience. Early on when there’s a drug called M-99, when it came out back in the, it would’ve been about ’68 or ’69. And I was one of the experimental people in developing that drug to try it on different species and report the findings and back to the company. And Lee Simmons, who was a colleague who I had known in Columbus was a veterinarian there while I was a keeper. And I got together at one of the annual meetings and we were talking about M-99 because he was one of the principal investigators as well. And I said to Lee, “Have you ever tried M-99 on any of the great apes chimpanzees or anything?” He says, “Oh my God. Yes.” And I said, “Well, what happened?” He said, “Well, I gave Mickey,” which was the animal that he was talking about X number of milligrams, and immediately went into respiratory arrest.
