No, I was at the meetings. I would go to all the meetings. I was yeah and I, basically, that’s what I was. I was there at every, all the meetings and they could question me if they wanted. If they needed to know something I was there for them and there was a number of people on the zoo board that were scientists. And those guys were, you know, were my staunchest allies. They were just really the best people you could ask to, ask for. There were some guys from the museum and they were from, one guy was from the University of California Berkeley, you know, and there was a number of them like that.
