He took, take some hair and you put it under the microscope. And if light doesn’t pass through it, it’s one of those others, it’s either a manyema or a mountain gorilla, because it will pass through lowland gorilla hair. And it was, I think people, they still don’t know that’s what you can do, but you can do it. And we did that, and it was, you know, it was really great. And they were both relatively tame because they were in captivity in the Congo for a long time. So they were pretty tame, but they were pretty big at the time. They didn’t come in little ones, you know. They were big at the time, but they were very, very, as typically is true of gorillas, they were relatively gentle animals and they lived in a pair.
