Dealers and people, even in Africa and other places. And he was, it was actually a very good one. It was a very good one. By the time I got there, we did have gorillas and we had, supposedly they were mountain gorillas, but they weren’t, what they were really was the, what at that time was called the middle gorilla, called gorilla gorilla manyema, which was sort of in between the lowland gorilla and the mountain gorilla. And these were the last animals to come out of the Congo before that big rebellion there. And they got to Kenya, and Warren Thomas had made a, not a deal, but got to a, there was an Admiral, retired Admiral that he had, you know, made contact with, and he got him to be, like a patron. And this guy was, got interested in them and he said, “Get those gorillas and I’ll pay for them.” And so we got probably really and truly the only manyema gorillas in captivity, and we even developed a test to say, to see that what ones were, what they really were, and that’s by taking, and this was his idea. I have to give him credit for it.
