Technically, from the city of Oklahoma City, I was just, I was a keeper, but Warren Thomas made me curator of primates. No salary increase mind you, but certainly I was curator of primates, but I did everything the keepers do, which was the greatest thing I could have done, the best thing that I could have done. And because in my opinion, that’s one of the things that I have always been, well I don’t know what to say, but I’ve always said that it’s a very, very important thing to do is, or to have, is the experience that those people out there in the field essentially, have. A lot of zoo directors, you know, when I was coming up, they all had that, ’cause that’s where they all started. But lately they, you know, people were concentrating on science, scientific people. And a lot of them, not just directors, but a lot of people who started working in zoos didn’t have that experience, and I think that was a big mistake, and led to a lot of problems.
