And when you talked about good press coming because of the gorillas and the exhibit and the positiveness of the pandas, in 1988, the orangutan Josephine did cause a little bit of a stir. Tell us what happened with- That was, yeah, that was a deal with the, our sister city, Shanghai. We were looking for a place to put them anyway and, put the two young orangs we had. And, ’cause we had an older pair That were breeding. Although they were two different subspecies though, unfortunately, but they, Some people, it was a mistake that I allowed a couple of people to do some enrichment, in quotes, of work in the orang grotto. And they became, once again, they became really possessive of these animals. And they believed, well they believed that there was, that the female was, there was something, you know, she was not developing correctly. And when they found out that we were going to send them to Shanghai, they went on a big rampage with the media saying that she was gonna die, and she shouldn’t be moved.
