Well, I don’t know. He was a very forceful person. (laughing) Commissioner Schick was a very forceful person, a very, a great benefactor for the zoo. He, you know actually he was, he really was. And I can’t say that, you know, I didn’t have anywhere near as much contact with him, of course, as Les Fisher did, but I certainly was aware. It didn’t take a genius to be aware that you don’t want to insult him or get him mad about certain things. But I’m not saying he wouldn’t take the truth either, couldn’t take the truth, ’cause he can. He wasn’t a guy that required you to be a sycophant, to fall all over yourself again, for him, he wasn’t that way. And you didn’t have to treat him that way.
