John Aspinall from England was a guy who made his money, and he made a lot of it, in gambling in England, which was legal of course. And he like loved animals, and he established a whole series of zoos and wild animal parks throughout England. And he, it was his desire, he really wanted to breed gorillas. And he had a big gorilla facility, but he never had done so. And at the time we had a lot of gorillas, probably too many, for the facility that we had. And we were gonna, we were thinking of surplussing a male gorilla, a full-grown male gorilla, or very close to it, named Casaro. And I said, Aspinall was asking, not, he didn’t ask us, but I saw in writing or it may have been in ad that he put in “International Zoo News”. I think that’s where it was.
