His calm, very calm, quiet, demeanor was the total opposite of Warren Thomas’. So as Thomas was a mentor to me on the animal end of it, I think Les Fisher was a mentor to me on the handling people. Give me some quick examples, if you can think of them of him, lessons learned on handling people. Well, I could tell you about more of the lessons that handled me. I mean he was, you know he never, even if he didn’t know he, I can’t say even if he didn’t agree with you. He would tell you if he didn’t agree with you.