Were you able to see other facilities that had great apes around the country to help your experience or not, or was- Well I had, since I had been working in zoos for a while, I used to go to, I did go to a lot of zoos and I had seen them, I had seen those other facilities anyway, and most of them were not adequate. You know, most of them were inadequate, because apes are the hardest thing to design an exhibit for, I think. Now there are some other facilities.
