But that was an important step from someone mentoring me and teaching me to say, “This is important. And this is why it’s important.” And I’ve shared that with other people. Everybody’s not gonna publish, I get it. But you could give a talk at a thing. You can do a presentation on a board. You don’t have to get in front. And my other quick story is Bill Braker, the director of the Shedd Aquarium when I gave my very first national speech presentation before the American Zoo Association. And I was really nervous ’cause here, I’m talking to all these people who are directors and they’re so important and who am I? I’m nobody.