You gotta make it a big deal ’cause every birth is important, and not some are more important. They’re all important ’cause it shows your management skills. So I said to the director, Dr. Fisher at the time. I said, “We could put a bear in a crate and ship them.” But these people have no experience with medical stuff. They have no experience with hands on management. We should put a team together of a veterinarian, animal keeper, myself and we should take this bear there and make it more than just putting a bear in a crate.” And he agreed. So the zoo was, Venezuela was paying the way and it was called the Gustavo Rivera Zoo, named after a person. It was owned by the Marvin oil company.
