You know, when I was in San Antonio, I was looking to make that next step. I had figured originally three moves, you know, curator, general curator, assistant director somewhere, become a director. And it felt like I had a broad exposure with this job at San Antonio because of the other branches within the zoo, the maintenance and the horticulture, and had picked up aquarium background. I spent a year soaking everything I could out of David McKelvey when he was hired as the first zoo’s professional agriculturist. And of course, a very famous guy at the time, Joe Laszlo in the herpetological field. And he was a leader in the original environmental chambers and so forth and it was exciting to get him the materials to watch what was going on. So I had a broad, broad exposure and felt like I was ready to take that next step. And I could tell that the assistant to the director there, Ernie Roney wasn’t going anywhere so I started started looking, but the job, I came out of going to the regional conference in 1979, which was in Sedgwick County Zoo.
