John Perry, I’m not too sure of his background. He just died recently, but he was involved with the friends of the National Zoo and then came on as the assistant director, one of the assistant directors, but his primary responsibility originally was to search and find a place that they could set up a breeding facility, a country operation, where they had more space. The Wild Animal Propagation Trust started out with orangutans. There were a few other species. It was a pre SSP type organization. And it fell apart ‘cos there was, you know, no punishments for not abiding by anything. It was a mutually agreeable club and it fell apart in 1973 at the Houston National Convention. I was there, I can remember the meeting.
