I had a good working relationship with him. He learned a lot from those gorillas at Columbus, Ohio. I mean, he had those penetrating eye and you could see that quiver in his job when he’d get upset on things. But I can say that I really enjoyed my time. It was a great collection. I mean, it was a huge collection and exposure to animals that some of ’em we’ll never see in zoos again most likely, and San Antonio was just a great town. Now, you said he held quote unquote a job for you and you started in 1974.
