So I did a general problems analysis. I actually had some other graduate students do a vegetation analysis, a soil survey. So used a lot of resources, but in the end, Louis DiSabato ended up being on my board, my thesis board, and basically helped me get a full-time job. At some point, he held the position open ‘cos it had been offered somebody else in the field earlier. And I guess he saw enough in me that they held this. It was actually titled zoologist, I called it. Third line in the totem pole at the time, but they held it open and I started to work there full time in June of ’74 and worked full time for a little over five years before going to the Sedgwick County Zoo, Wichita, Kansas.